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FireStorm · Jun 23, 2005, 11:46 AM // 11:46

Ive been in 2 two guilds so far.. Both i got KICKED , but i dont see what i did wrong. 1st, I was on my other file in pre searing and they asked to come to guild hall with my ele , i said no, they asked again and again , finally said 'Who wants Napalm Out? VOTE NOW !!!1one!1' All voted me out , for not showing up on a gvg , and i cant remember if i even missed 1 before that.

2nd, i was finally asked questions about gvg by new guild 'we need air ele's for gvg, are you an air?' i said no. He responded 'Im going to have to ask you to change to air for gvg now' i didnt even have half the air skills anyway, so i said no. With his last response he said 'Omg for you n00b, sorry you are no use to this guild, good bye' i felt so pissed.. useless??? just cause i didnt change from fire to air? wtf?

All in All , is there any non asshole guild out there who wont kick me for something that 'revolves' around my ele

Calimar · Jun 23, 2005, 11:52 AM // 11:52

Well that does sound pretty harsh, but think that being in a guild is not just wearing a funny cape - it's all about helping the guild when it needs you. Of course, it should help you when you need it, too...
As usual, there are 2 questions to ask: a) what am I doing for the guild? and b) what is the guild doing for me?
If the two answer do not satisfy you, it's either not your guild or you should go alone. In GW, there's not much difference - you don't NEED a guild unless you're trying to be heavily competitive - and in that case, you need to abide by the rules of competition: characters are needed and when they are, you run.
My opinion.

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Originally Posted by FireStorm

Ive been in 2 two guilds so far.. Both i got KICKED , but i dont see what i did wrong. 1st, I was on my other file in pre searing and they asked to come to guild hall with my ele , i said no, they asked again and again , finally said 'Who wants Napalm Out? VOTE NOW !!!1one!1' All voted me out , for not showing up on a gvg , and i cant remember if i even missed 1 before that.

FireStorm · Jun 23, 2005, 11:56 AM // 11:56

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Originally Posted by Calimar

Well that does sound pretty harsh, but think that being in a guild is not just wearing a funny cape - it's all about helping the guild when it needs you. Of course, it should help you when you need it, too...
As usual, there are 2 questions to ask: a) what am I doing for the guild? and b) what is the guild doing for me?
If the two answer do not satisfy you, it's either not your guild or you should go alone. In GW, there's not much difference - you don't NEED a guild unless you're trying to be heavily competitive - and in that case, you need to abide by the rules of competition: characters are needed and when they are, you run.
My opinion.

Yes but on that day i played more than 5 gvgs, and leader said no more for today , so i started a new file. I obviously had enough since i told themi dont to play anymore and they said thats fine, not my fault people change their mind like idiots. Guilds... i like guilds, kinda feel lonly without 1, like chat, battle, explore etc.
Btw i did alot for that guild, help new members, help people having money troubles, help chip in for hall. So yea.. nice to see how they payed me back

Swarnt Brightstar · Jun 23, 2005, 12:08 PM // 12:08

The other day me and my guild had a guild battle, the first one we killed the other team, then the next one, we got totally DECIMATED! Then when I was PvEing with one of my friends in my guild she goes "OMFG you idiot why did you do taht I told you to rez the healer!!" so I say "I can rez multiple times I have rebirth" so she totally ignores me and calles me an idiot again. I just get "disconected" (we were in N shiverpeaks and she was lvl 17) so she can take some time to just cool down. I was angry at our loss also, but I didnt boot anyone over it, also I try to be nice, and kind to my guild mates. I always ask if they need help as soon as I go on, usually nobody says yes so I chat, or go to LA in teh weirdo district (dist. 13 for me) and sit there, then when nobody gets on for a while I play with my pre-searing character and I get bored and get off, then I help out people in post-searing ascalon-with my lvl 20 R/Mo-play a few missions and stuff with 'em then ask them to join my guild & if they say no I still help 'em out. We all know what it feels like to be bored outta your mind before you hit N shiverpeaks, it's just wayyyyyy to easy

FireStorm · Jun 23, 2005, 12:42 PM // 12:42

Yea easy till the stone summit pwned my *** all over the place. I remember a Beta i was in, i was only in 1. I started exploring untilli nearly reached ice place on map , i was so happy. Then a Hydra came out and owned me in 10 sec. After that i made it my DUTY to reach yaks bend. I finally reached it 1 hour till the beta ended, kinda got pissed lol. So yea Any1 want a NICE!!! person in their guild? (means me lol)

Detrick Sky · Jun 23, 2005, 01:24 PM // 13:24

I really suggest that people shop around for a guild. I mean people joinging guilds because of the cape they have is the funniest stuff I have every seen. I agree comepletely with Calimar when there is really two important questions that needs to be asked (1) What am I doing for the guild? and (2) What is the guild doing for me? There is a give and take with being a part of a guild.

I also like the players who want to join and "elite" PvP guild. I believe a player needs to earn that priviledge to a certain extent. I have always been a HUGE supporter for teaching players to PvP in any game I have been in, but I find the player who is not willing to listen and learn who is the first person trash talking when the group wins.

Luckily there is enough people out there playing this game that a guild can find like minded people. I know my guildmates are always looking for people who want to have fun, help each other our, and develop good PvP and GvG teams. I like our guilds balance of having fun in PvE and being serious about PvP-GvG. We are working as a team to win a sigil without having to pay for it currently. That's what is but fun and frustrating.

Marc Grahamsworth · Jun 23, 2005, 03:11 PM // 15:11

Yeah read the fine print before joining a guild. In this case, the fine print is how the other guild members act. If it seems that they're really hardcore about their GvG and very unforgiving when it comes to attendance, then stay clear (since that's obviously not your cup of tea, neither mine for that matter). Looks like you should aim for a casual GvG guild.

UsagiNoSenshi · Jun 23, 2005, 05:39 PM // 17:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by FireStorm

Ive been in 2 two guilds so far.. Both i got KICKED , but i dont see what i did wrong. 1st, I was on my other file in pre searing and they asked to come to guild hall with my ele , i said no, they asked again and again , finally said 'Who wants Napalm Out? VOTE NOW !!!1one!1' All voted me out , for not showing up on a gvg , and i cant remember if i even missed 1 before that.

2nd, i was finally asked questions about gvg by new guild 'we need air ele's for gvg, are you an air?' i said no. He responded 'Im going to have to ask you to change to air for gvg now' i didnt even have half the air skills anyway, so i said no. With his last response he said 'Omg for you n00b, sorry you are no use to this guild, good bye' i felt so pissed.. useless??? just cause i didnt change from fire to air? wtf?

All in All , is there any non asshole guild out there who wont kick me for something that 'revolves' around my ele

sounds like they were being 12 yr olds but remember being in a guild means you participate in guild events XP

and GvG is especially important because it effects your guilds standing, and since presumably "you like your guild, that why you joined" you want your guild to do well in the standings, so IMHO even if they were being silly prepubescent kids about kicking you, there is a semi-valid reason they did it.

Lysstastic · Jun 23, 2005, 06:17 PM // 18:17

I don't think him not wanting to join PvP events for one time should mean he should get kicked out.. there's no semi-valid reason for being that childish or nasty IMO. As a guild leader I would never kick someone out just because they didn't want to participate in PvP for that one time only. If I was a strictly PvP guild, even if they didn;t want to join in more than once, I still wouldn;t kick them out, maybe if they never wanted to participate, i'd suggest that another guild might be suitable, but, guild members are supposed to be your friends. The reason guilds are good, i find, is cos you can do things like HoH, or team arena, or underworld runs without having to take morons into your team - they should be people you respect and trust, and you certainly wouldn't vote them outta the guild because they were too busy to attend a PvP event.. that's just insanity.

Seht · Jun 24, 2005, 06:10 PM // 18:10

This game is so past paced in PvP... rhetorically, you wont get an answer to this. Keep looking. Their are so many ppl playing this game, it won't take long.

Answers come in weird ways dude. Lets put it this way...did you really want to stick around in a guild like that?

Maybe in the future you'll be looking for a straight pvp guild...in the mean time, find some n00bs and make a slow paced guild until you're ready for a fast paced guild. This game will be around for a long time. A good group of 20 n00bs can turn into a tight group of 8 fast.

Don't try to win all today.

Maltare · Jun 25, 2005, 02:28 PM // 14:28

Some guilds are lead by idiots, just remember that. Find one that wont kick you around.

Reiden Argrock · Jun 29, 2005, 10:55 PM // 22:55

Maybe this is irrellevant now but, just in case your still having guild problems,

Just to clear up my understanding, did you explain to them your reasons for not switching to air ele? or for first guild, about how you cannot access GH while in pre searing, if you did then yes, they treated you unfairly, and you should of just quit rather than taking that.

If by chance you are still having difficulty finding a good guild, I'm always looking for new blood

, no requirements. Just have fun, and get along with other guildies, there are only 5 of us currently, but now that their starting to near the lvl 20 mark, and getting outfitted, it would be great to find some more people to do pvp or gvg with once in a while. And as for builds and stuff, I would actually prefer not having you make a pvp char on the spot, even if you have been playing a long time and have all the skills, and know a build is good, that doesn't mean you know how to play it, unless you make a pvp char and actually play it alot, and get to know what works, but I would never ask my friends to switch it up so fit the assumed build. They'll play better with what they know, if you suggest they spend some time learning multiple ways to play their char, then when you get into gvg, and say "were using this build, they'll know what will work best, and they'll know how to play their part, maybe i'm just ranting now, anyway, if you want send me a pm, and we can go on some hunts or go exploring some

IGN - Reiden Argrock

mamluk · Jun 29, 2005, 11:01 PM // 23:01

Being in a guild should be about playing with people who are your friends and are fun to be with, this is the most important criterion. If you are playing serious pvp with a bunch of asshats, you might win a lot, but i know that your enjoyment won't be what it would be playing with a group of cool people.

It also sounds like you had some communication difficulties with these guilds- I would suggest trying to find a guild that has a ventrilo or teamspeak server, or popping for one yourself if you have about 15 dollars a month to spare. Being able to speak to your guildmates is invaluable. And it makes everything more fun.

Beowulf545 · Jun 30, 2005, 05:34 AM // 05:34

Thats sad that they kicked you out just cause of that. They shouldn't have gotten so mad at you just for that... its a game after all... were supposed to have fun. Which is exactly what the guild I'm in does. We don't get mad if you dont want to change your skills. Play with what you're good at. We're a pretty new guild so we don't have alot of people in it yet, nor do we have a guild hall, but were working on that. We havn't done any GvG's yet either since were such a new guild. But if you're still looking for a guild, then you can whisper me

Future Fear

if you want to join our guild Legion of the Dead (LoD)
Just contact me sometime, we would be happy for you to join us.

Sir_hawke · Jul 01, 2005, 02:22 AM // 02:22

I am truely sorry to hear that the guilds out their are more worried about their GVG status than the ind that play the game. I try to keep this policy in my Guild. PVP or GVG is an option given by the game and we as a guild have no right to take it away from the ind playing the game. I have two members in my guild that have stated point blank that they dont play this game to pvp and I am fine with that. They dont go to HoH or any other PVP area. They support the guild members who are stuck on quest and they have become vauled members of [ACE]. I hope you find a guild that will support you as an ind not as a chr on the screen.

Sir Hawke
[ACE]Monarch
www.ancientcombatexperts.com

PhineasToke · Jul 01, 2005, 03:20 AM // 03:20

Lookin fer members. Got cool capes and workin on hall

Well, what type of guild are you?

Whadayoumean, you think we are gay or sumptin?

No, what I meant was are you PVE, PVP, PVG, casual, or hard core, line dancing or burger flipping?

No, we aint none of that noob stuff. We playz the game all the time

Do you charge for the cape?

Well, sombody does we don't have much gold

Well, how many are there in the guild, and do you get paid for new members?

Stupid *&&&%$#% noob **&&^^6566&& noob &&%%#$$# freak

Actual conversation (paraphrased) with a "guild leader" before being put on his ignore list.

Sir_hawke · Jul 01, 2005, 03:32 AM // 03:32

Lmao that to funny to many 1d10t playing

Experiment_Jon · Jul 01, 2005, 05:57 AM // 05:57

Hmm. Well, one of my close friends is in my guild (Im leader). Too bad last time I did HoH with him, he was an absolute jerk to me. Guess who's not going to be an officer...

IDK, personally, I don't want my guild rating to plummet, and wouldn't be happy to lose in PvP, but I wouldn't hold it against my guild members. IDK, if they kicked you, they were a junk guild anyway.

DarkWasp · Jul 04, 2005, 04:37 AM // 04:37

Well, Hint is, join a freindly guild, you need to imvestigate, and be investigated before you join one. Otherwise, its just a permanant pick-up-group. You guild should have good rules, and the members shouldnt over use immature words as ****Tard or n00b all the time.

gamer87 · Jul 04, 2005, 12:00 PM // 12:00

listen private message me if you are still looking for a guild we are always open to new members and understand that you don't always have thre time for gvg. We do ask however that you try and meet the guild's needs as well whenever possible. I also consider myself to be a nice guy and would be willing to let you join All we are looking for is active players with the desire to learn and willingness to follow the orders of those who design the builds for GvG and PvP. We are always open to suggestions and have patience when it comes to making a decision regarding whether or not to boot a member.

Jun 23, 2005, 11:46 AM // 11:46	#1
FireStorm Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Australia Profession: E/R	Stupid Guilds Ive been in 2 two guilds so far.. Both i got KICKED , but i dont see what i did wrong. 1st, I was on my other file in pre searing and they asked to come to guild hall with my ele , i said no, they asked again and again , finally said 'Who wants Napalm Out? VOTE NOW !!!1one!1' All voted me out , for not showing up on a gvg , and i cant remember if i even missed 1 before that. 2nd, i was finally asked questions about gvg by new guild 'we need air ele's for gvg, are you an air?' i said no. He responded 'Im going to have to ask you to change to air for gvg now' i didnt even have half the air skills anyway, so i said no. With his last response he said 'Omg for you n00b, sorry you are no use to this guild, good bye' i felt so pissed.. useless??? just cause i didnt change from fire to air? wtf? All in All , is there any non asshole guild out there who wont kick me for something that 'revolves' around my ele

Jun 23, 2005, 12:08 PM // 12:08	#4
Swarnt Brightstar Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Mongolia!... But sadly Florida Guild: Rulers of Mythology <ROM> Profession: R/Mo	The other day me and my guild had a guild battle, the first one we killed the other team, then the next one, we got totally DECIMATED! Then when I was PvEing with one of my friends in my guild she goes "OMFG you idiot why did you do taht I told you to rez the healer!!" so I say "I can rez multiple times I have rebirth" so she totally ignores me and calles me an idiot again. I just get "disconected" (we were in N shiverpeaks and she was lvl 17) so she can take some time to just cool down. I was angry at our loss also, but I didnt boot anyone over it, also I try to be nice, and kind to my guild mates. I always ask if they need help as soon as I go on, usually nobody says yes so I chat, or go to LA in teh weirdo district (dist. 13 for me) and sit there, then when nobody gets on for a while I play with my pre-searing character and I get bored and get off, then I help out people in post-searing ascalon-with my lvl 20 R/Mo-play a few missions and stuff with 'em then ask them to join my guild & if they say no I still help 'em out. We all know what it feels like to be bored outta your mind before you hit N shiverpeaks, it's just wayyyyyy to easy Last edited by Swarnt Brightstar; Jun 23, 2005 at 12:20 PM // 12:20..

Jun 30, 2005, 05:34 AM // 05:34	#14
Beowulf545 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Legion of the Dead Profession: W/R	Join us if you want Thats sad that they kicked you out just cause of that. They shouldn't have gotten so mad at you just for that... its a game after all... were supposed to have fun. Which is exactly what the guild I'm in does. We don't get mad if you dont want to change your skills. Play with what you're good at. We're a pretty new guild so we don't have alot of people in it yet, nor do we have a guild hall, but were working on that. We havn't done any GvG's yet either since were such a new guild. But if you're still looking for a guild, then you can whisper me Future Fear if you want to join our guild Legion of the Dead (LoD) Just contact me sometime, we would be happy for you to join us.

Jun 23, 2005, 12:42 PM // 12:42	#5
FireStorm Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Australia Profession: E/R	Yea easy till the stone summit pwned my *** all over the place. I remember a Beta i was in, i was only in 1. I started exploring untilli nearly reached ice place on map , i was so happy. Then a Hydra came out and owned me in 10 sec. After that i made it my DUTY to reach yaks bend. I finally reached it 1 hour till the beta ended, kinda got pissed lol. So yea Any1 want a NICE!!! person in their guild? (means me lol)

Jun 23, 2005, 01:24 PM // 13:24	#6
Detrick Sky Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Illinois Guild: Knights of the Alliance	I really suggest that people shop around for a guild. I mean people joinging guilds because of the cape they have is the funniest stuff I have every seen. I agree comepletely with Calimar when there is really two important questions that needs to be asked (1) What am I doing for the guild? and (2) What is the guild doing for me? There is a give and take with being a part of a guild. I also like the players who want to join and "elite" PvP guild. I believe a player needs to earn that priviledge to a certain extent. I have always been a HUGE supporter for teaching players to PvP in any game I have been in, but I find the player who is not willing to listen and learn who is the first person trash talking when the group wins. Luckily there is enough people out there playing this game that a guild can find like minded people. I know my guildmates are always looking for people who want to have fun, help each other our, and develop good PvP and GvG teams. I like our guilds balance of having fun in PvE and being serious about PvP-GvG. We are working as a team to win a sigil without having to pay for it currently. That's what is but fun and frustrating.

Jun 23, 2005, 03:11 PM // 15:11	#7
Marc Grahamsworth Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Australia Guild: Guild of Choice Profession: Me/Mo	Yeah read the fine print before joining a guild. In this case, the fine print is how the other guild members act. If it seems that they're really hardcore about their GvG and very unforgiving when it comes to attendance, then stay clear (since that's obviously not your cup of tea, neither mine for that matter). Looks like you should aim for a casual GvG guild.

Jun 23, 2005, 06:17 PM // 18:17	#9
Lysstastic Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bournemouth Guild: Fist of the North Star Profession: R/E	I don't think him not wanting to join PvP events for one time should mean he should get kicked out.. there's no semi-valid reason for being that childish or nasty IMO. As a guild leader I would never kick someone out just because they didn't want to participate in PvP for that one time only. If I was a strictly PvP guild, even if they didn;t want to join in more than once, I still wouldn;t kick them out, maybe if they never wanted to participate, i'd suggest that another guild might be suitable, but, guild members are supposed to be your friends. The reason guilds are good, i find, is cos you can do things like HoH, or team arena, or underworld runs without having to take morons into your team - they should be people you respect and trust, and you certainly wouldn't vote them outta the guild because they were too busy to attend a PvP event.. that's just insanity.

Jun 24, 2005, 06:10 PM // 18:10	#10
Seht Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: TSL Profession: W/	This game is so past paced in PvP... rhetorically, you wont get an answer to this. Keep looking. Their are so many ppl playing this game, it won't take long. Answers come in weird ways dude. Lets put it this way...did you really want to stick around in a guild like that? Maybe in the future you'll be looking for a straight pvp guild...in the mean time, find some n00bs and make a slow paced guild until you're ready for a fast paced guild. This game will be around for a long time. A good group of 20 n00bs can turn into a tight group of 8 fast. Don't try to win all today.

Jun 25, 2005, 02:28 PM // 14:28	#11
Maltare Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: The Last Horadrim Profession: E/Me	Some guilds are lead by idiots, just remember that. Find one that wont kick you around.

Jun 29, 2005, 10:55 PM // 22:55	#12
Reiden Argrock Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Arizona Guild: Shadowstorm Mercenaries	Maybe this is irrellevant now but, just in case your still having guild problems, Just to clear up my understanding, did you explain to them your reasons for not switching to air ele? or for first guild, about how you cannot access GH while in pre searing, if you did then yes, they treated you unfairly, and you should of just quit rather than taking that. If by chance you are still having difficulty finding a good guild, I'm always looking for new blood , no requirements. Just have fun, and get along with other guildies, there are only 5 of us currently, but now that their starting to near the lvl 20 mark, and getting outfitted, it would be great to find some more people to do pvp or gvg with once in a while. And as for builds and stuff, I would actually prefer not having you make a pvp char on the spot, even if you have been playing a long time and have all the skills, and know a build is good, that doesn't mean you know how to play it, unless you make a pvp char and actually play it alot, and get to know what works, but I would never ask my friends to switch it up so fit the assumed build. They'll play better with what they know, if you suggest they spend some time learning multiple ways to play their char, then when you get into gvg, and say "were using this build, they'll know what will work best, and they'll know how to play their part, maybe i'm just ranting now, anyway, if you want send me a pm, and we can go on some hunts or go exploring some IGN - Reiden Argrock

Jun 29, 2005, 11:01 PM // 23:01	#13
mamluk Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grid Sector X-223b Guild: Carebear Club [wuv]	Being in a guild should be about playing with people who are your friends and are fun to be with, this is the most important criterion. If you are playing serious pvp with a bunch of asshats, you might win a lot, but i know that your enjoyment won't be what it would be playing with a group of cool people. It also sounds like you had some communication difficulties with these guilds- I would suggest trying to find a guild that has a ventrilo or teamspeak server, or popping for one yourself if you have about 15 dollars a month to spare. Being able to speak to your guildmates is invaluable. And it makes everything more fun.

Jul 01, 2005, 02:22 AM // 02:22	#15
Sir_hawke Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ocean Springs Guild: Ancient Combat Experts Profession: W/Mo	I am truely sorry to hear that the guilds out their are more worried about their GVG status than the ind that play the game. I try to keep this policy in my Guild. PVP or GVG is an option given by the game and we as a guild have no right to take it away from the ind playing the game. I have two members in my guild that have stated point blank that they dont play this game to pvp and I am fine with that. They dont go to HoH or any other PVP area. They support the guild members who are stuck on quest and they have become vauled members of [ACE]. I hope you find a guild that will support you as an ind not as a chr on the screen. Sir Hawke [ACE]Monarch www.ancientcombatexperts.com

Jul 01, 2005, 03:20 AM // 03:20	#16
PhineasToke Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: in a house Guild: Phantom Menace Profession: W/Mo	Lookin fer members. Got cool capes and workin on hall Well, what type of guild are you? Whadayoumean, you think we are gay or sumptin? No, what I meant was are you PVE, PVP, PVG, casual, or hard core, line dancing or burger flipping? No, we aint none of that noob stuff. We playz the game all the time Do you charge for the cape? Well, sombody does we don't have much gold Well, how many are there in the guild, and do you get paid for new members? *Stupid &&&%$#% noob &&^^6566&& noob &&%%#$$# freak Actual conversation (paraphrased) with a "guild leader" before being put on his ignore list.

Jul 01, 2005, 03:32 AM // 03:32	#17
Sir_hawke Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ocean Springs Guild: Ancient Combat Experts Profession: W/Mo	Lmao that to funny to many 1d10t playing

Jul 01, 2005, 05:57 AM // 05:57	#18
Experiment_Jon Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Band Geeks Profession: W/Mo	Hmm. Well, one of my close friends is in my guild (Im leader). Too bad last time I did HoH with him, he was an absolute jerk to me. Guess who's not going to be an officer... IDK, personally, I don't want my guild rating to plummet, and wouldn't be happy to lose in PvP, but I wouldn't hold it against my guild members. IDK, if they kicked you, they were a junk guild anyway.

Jul 04, 2005, 04:37 AM // 04:37	#19
DarkWasp Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Paradise Guild: Agency Of Forbidden Fruits [Oot] Profession: R/A	Well, Hint is, join a freindly guild, you need to imvestigate, and be investigated before you join one. Otherwise, its just a permanant pick-up-group. You guild should have good rules, and the members shouldnt over use immature words as ****Tard or n00b all the time.

Jul 04, 2005, 12:00 PM // 12:00	#20
gamer87 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: The Dark Forgotten Profession: Mo/R	listen private message me if you are still looking for a guild we are always open to new members and understand that you don't always have thre time for gvg. We do ask however that you try and meet the guild's needs as well whenever possible. I also consider myself to be a nice guy and would be willing to let you join All we are looking for is active players with the desire to learn and willingness to follow the orders of those who design the builds for GvG and PvP. We are always open to suggestions and have patience when it comes to making a decision regarding whether or not to boot a member.